to get your thoughts on this because when you hear people talk about this debate and they talk about religion and the debate of same sex marriage, a lot of people the knee-jerk reaction is the bible condemns this, the bible condemns this. what do you say to that? >> well, certainly if you look for the witness scripture you're not going to find anything about gay marriage. you're going to see scattered passages about homosexuality but because it's on long-term monogamous between same sex couples, that silence we need to understand it. the bible says as much about gay marriage as it does about the internet. and we are living in a different time. and our church as a witness to couples that are very powerfully in love with each other and are witnessing in their faith. one of the things we say in the wedding ceremony in the united methodist liturgy is the couple creates a new ministry for the church. well, our congregation has been blessed by the witness of gay and lesbian couples who have been in those long-term relationships who have a deep commitment that it's about love, it's not about other t